Mzansi reacts to Gareth Cliff on ‘The Big Debate’

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Mzansi had a lot to say in response to South Africa’s town hall debate show, “The Big Debate”, which now moved online with a series called “Rise Above” due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

The show, hosted by veteran journalist Redi Tlhabi, featured former “Idols SA” Judge Gareth Cliff as well as author Jamil F. Khan, where they discuss Cliff’s now viral letter to President Cyril Ramaphosa.

The shows and the points raised by the guests became a trending topic on Twitter, with many not holding back.

Big Debate SA@BigDebateSA

We are losing hope, says @GarethCliff. Who’s this ‘we’? You speak for privilege. Your wealth comes from the exploitation of the people you claim to speak for. @JamilFarouk.

Feel the flames on #RiseAbove with @RediTlhabi Gareth & Jamil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFPD2zj6DCE 

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The episode had many quotable moments, but it also sparked a big debate online where Tweeps were critical of the conduct of Cliff.

Lesego Tlhabi@LesegoTlhabi

It’s impossible for me to watch this without screaming. Did Gareth get more insufferable and more loud about his ignorance and privilege over the years or was he like this even at 5?? https://twitter.com/bigdebatesa/status/1259178168595906561 

Big Debate SA@BigDebateSA

We are losing hope, says @GarethCliff. Who’s this ‘we’? You speak for privilege. Your wealth comes from the exploitation of the people you claim to speak for. @JamilFarouk.

Feel the flames on #RiseAbove with @RediTlhabi Gareth & Jamil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFPD2zj6DCE 

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Lesego Tlhabi@LesegoTlhabi

It’s impossible for me to watch this without screaming. Did Gareth get more insufferable and more loud about his ignorance and privilege over the years or was he like this even at 5?? https://twitter.com/bigdebatesa/status/1259178168595906561 

Big Debate SA@BigDebateSA

We are losing hope, says @GarethCliff. Who’s this ‘we’? You speak for privilege. Your wealth comes from the exploitation of the people you claim to speak for. @JamilFarouk.

Feel the flames on #RiseAbove with @RediTlhabi Gareth & Jamil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFPD2zj6DCE 

Sherilyn Naidoo@Sherzi15

A child throwing a tantrum. @JamilFarouk had so much grace and kept such a poker face when Gareth instead of attacking jamil’s arguments, started name calling etc! Urgh also I want jamil to teach how to poker face that well!

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Sharendra Panday@Sharendra

Was sent this not sure the source but like in life everything is not black and white.

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Masked Trickle Down Economics@Adrian_Gooner

What!? If you have a job and earning money, money that it you plough back into the economy through consuming, YOU are not only contributing to it, but reaping the benefits from it. There are millions on middle class citizens bleeding from this lockdown, what about them?

Olivia Kern@OliviaKern1

It’s impossible for gov to keep this country locked down precisely because it will obliterate the middle class who largely has debt and little to no savings but Gareth & the Woolies Warriors don’t come across as caring about that,they using the poor to argue for their privilege

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Merc@MerciaCorrigan

You should really read up on Gareth, he is an intellect. So is Jamil. Gareth’s points were strong and he used eloquent vocab and if you watch the debate carefully, he was the better of the two. His points are valid. Kamil tried to attack identity.

Dimpo ka-Luzipho@dimpold

I just watched the interview. Gareth is articulate, assertive & well spoken. I don’t agree with him that the market is fair. But I agree with his other points of view. To narrow the issue to race alone is disingenuous. Jamil should’ve read the letter & refine his arguments.

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Khaya Dlanga

@khayadlanga

Wow. Gareth Cliff resorted to slights and called @JamilFarouk “You petty socialist!” The worst debates one can have is when you say one thing and then the other person makes it seem like you said an extreme version of what you actually said, devoid of any nuance.

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Ernst Roets

@ErnstRoets

Not sure Jamil comprehends to extent to which he was outwitted by Gareth in this debate.

This was a debate between reality and Marxist theory. https://twitter.com/bigdebatesa/status/1259178168595906561 

Big Debate SA@BigDebateSA

We are losing hope, says @GarethCliff. Who’s this ‘we’? You speak for privilege. Your wealth comes from the exploitation of the people you claim to speak for. @JamilFarouk.

Feel the flames on #RiseAbove with @RediTlhabi Gareth & Jamil. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFPD2zj6DCE 

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miss vanjie@taahira_k

Since watching last nights Big Debate, I realized how many Gareth Cliffs I’ve had to deal with and how truly exhausting and infuriating they are.

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Magnus Heystek@MagnusHeystek

It was also pathetic to watch #reditlabi try and set Gareth up with the visuals of the whiteys braaing juxtaposed with the darkies being harassed by the police. Why didn’t she use the visuals of Stella Abramswhatshernameagain having dinner during lockdown…?

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Sihle Ngobese@BigDaddyLiberty

LOL…as I have always said, STOP FEARING trendy-Lefties!

They are not smart, and they wilt under scrutiny & facts.

Watch @GarethCliff destroy this #SJW and rightly call out the hosts occasional attempts to strawman him👍🏾

Happy Sunday, y’all!

Watch —> https://youtu.be/OFPD2zj6DCE 

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Pussy Bacon Escobar@ocasionallyAmy

Probably watched ten minutes of the Gareth Cliff video and I knew he was on some bs when he dismissed everything done in the humanities because it doesn’t cater to his world view.

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Quentin Quarantino Ferreira@psyQologist

The fear in his eyes when the evil, white, heteropatriarchal capitalist says “Herd Immunity.”
🤣😂

Somewhere around the 9:17 mark.

Nice one @GarethCliffhttps://youtu.be/OFPD2zj6DCE 

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Hendrik Strydom@Hennerikus

Gareth intellectually and substantively wiped the floor with Jamil.

At such a critical point in our history, regarding such an important topic, how could they not get a credible opponent to Gareth’s point of view.

It was a waste of time!
The focus is on all the wrong things!

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Mills@bastionow81

Jamil’s attempt at a debate with Gareth.

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Faatimah Shandu Mohamed@faatimah_Moh

Gareth Cliff has a White savior complex hence he felt the need to insult @JamilFarouk who refused to stoop down to his level! He knows along with all white people defending him if the lockdown continues he has no chance to exploit all the black workers he pretends to speak for

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By Staff Reporter

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